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Wonkhe @ Home - Do Black Lives Still Matter in HE? - Shared screen with speaker view
Debbie McVitty
16:14
Good morning everyone, guessing you arrived early to get the good seats and hottest coffees :)
Debbie McVitty
43:22
Here is the piece that Amatey mentioned: https://wonkhe.com/blogs/turning-race-equity-strategy-into-meaningful-action/
Debbie McVitty
47:49
We’ll share slides following the event for those hoping to see that map in more detail!
Graham Gamblin
52:09
I am pleased to have found Birmingham City Uni's strategy quite easily
Ange
53:17
Clear policy for University of Salford
Luke Harrison
53:41
Oh Hi from Salford too, @Ange!
Simon Meacher
53:52
Newcastle University REC Action Plan is easy to find.
Heather Gray (she/her/hers)
54:18
Glasgow Caledonian Uni - 'tackling racism at GCU'
Fairyqueen Tatiana
54:22
Nottingham Trent University Race Action Plan is easily found
Patrick
54:27
Clear policies for the Open University. Work in progress across the Faculties and administrative departments.
Lesley Main
55:18
Middlesex University easy to find plus a new Pro Vice Chancellor role to lead on EDI
Debbie McVitty
55:22
Remember to toggle to Panelists and Attendees - your chat box defaults to posts only being visible to panelists.
Rhys J-S
55:49
Forgot to toggle, thank you Debbie. NTU plan found fairly easily - https://www.ntu.ac.uk/about-us/news/news-articles/2020/12/ntus-vice-chancellor-launches-the-race-equality-action-plan
Neelam Wright
56:15
Happy to say this is easy to find for University of Surrey
Anne Wilson
56:16
Warwick has some information within Inclusion and E D & I- so search terms not great unless you know what to look for. E D & I has Anti-Racism resources & training info.
Judi Turner
56:30
University of Liverpool action plan and guidance easy to find too
Jane Butcher
56:33
Found the Oxford Brookes Race Equality Strategy and Action Plan
Annette
56:36
Equality and Diversity policy easily found - University of Gloucestershire
Nash, Ramona
56:37
.University of Exeter's policies and action plan are also easy to find and the Race Equality Charter Mark work is highlighted
Samantha Ahern
57:02
We have a BAME Awarding Gap project: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/teaching-learning/education-strategy/1-personalising-student-support/bame-awarding-gap-project-supporting-student
Debbie McVitty
57:02
Any questions for Amatey, do post them here or in the Q&A box
Snigdha Dutta
57:08
Found Uni of Cambridge's Race and Equality Charter and action plan.
Kaye Towlson
57:19
DMU Race Equality Charter easy to discover
Emily Williams, University of Surrey
57:31
Surrey's EDI strategy and Race Equality action plan easy to find https://www.surrey.ac.uk/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/racial-equality/how-we-work-towards-racial-equality
Katie Green
57:37
Royal Holloway REC found here https://intranet.royalholloway.ac.uk/staff/your-employment/human-resources/equality-and-diversity/race-and-ethnicity-race-equality-charter.aspx
Kashmir - University of Leeds
57:39
At Leeds there is the Race Equality Framework 2020 in the Equality & Inclusion Unit
Pauline Rutter
57:58
Is there a large piece about our white colleagues speaking to and with each other about racism that needs including?
Jane Cook (she/her)
58:01
University of Glasgow Action plan easy to find/access
Samantha Ahern
58:07
Broader pledges: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/equality-diversity-inclusion/equality-areas/race-equality
Rachel Gardner Dalton
58:14
Found Cambridge's policy very easily: https://www.race-equality.admin.cam.ac.uk/strategic-initiatives-overview/race-equality-charter
Debbie McVitty
59:15
www.slido.com - type in #WonkheBLM to the box
Lizanne Henderson
01:00:56
University of Glasgow has made good strides (but always room for improvement): https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/humanresources/equalitydiversity/students/bame/
Ben
01:02:57
Uni of Bath: https://www.bath.ac.uk/guides/race-equality-taskforce/. Good to have named lead & group, action plan needs to be formed though
Jenny Bach
01:03:21
University of East Anglia https://www.uea.ac.uk/about/equality-diversity-and-inclusion/standards-and-frameworks/race-equality-charter
Pauline Rutter
01:03:58
University of Brighton is here: https://www.brighton.ac.uk/about-us/your-university/equality/race-equality.aspx
Lizanne Henderson
01:04:18
Are there any recommended types of questions one could use if doing a consultation?
Ange
01:04:34
University of Salford’s policy here https://www.salford.ac.uk/equality-and-diversity
Valerie Emmott
01:06:08
UWE Bristol's 2030 EDI strategy is here: https://www.uwe.ac.uk/about/values-vision-strategy/equality-diversity-and-inclusivity/policies
Debbie McVitty
01:09:09
https://www.londonmet.ac.uk/media/london-metropolitan-university/london-met-documents/professional-service-departments/centre-for-equity-and-inclusion/Race-Equity-Strategic-Plan.pdf
Pauline Rutter
01:12:35
Such an impressive strategic plan. Thanks
Valerie Emmott
01:14:54
awarding gap target is impressive: would love to hear about key factors for London Met that will make this reality (I presume all the strategy underpins this!)
Alex Mormoris
01:18:24
https://www.londonmet.ac.uk/media/london-metropolitan-university/london-met-documents/professional-service-departments/centre-for-equity-and-inclusion/Race-Equity-Strategic-Plan.pdf
Debbie McVitty
01:18:54
London Met race equity strategy: https://www.londonmet.ac.uk/media/london-metropolitan-university/london-met-documents/professional-service-departments/centre-for-equity-and-inclusion/Race-Equity-Strategic-Plan.pdf
Pauline Rutter
01:19:19
QUESTION to Sofia and Alex. This is refreshingly impressive thanks. Can I ask about slef-care work for Black, Asian and ethnically minoritised female staff in particular who have been so negatively impacted in different ways by institutional racism throughout their education and HE journeys?
Katie Drapes
01:20:00
Does the Plan allow for outreach work with local schools and community to bring in disparate views from those who are not engaging with HE?
Zuleikha Chikh
01:21:09
What tools do you have in place for staff to report racism/discrimination?
Kate Brown
01:22:26
At SOAS, we have the Report + Support system which can be used by staff and students - either anonymous or named reporting
Debbie McVitty
01:22:41
Critical conversation cafes - discussion supported by resources: https://rl.talis.com/3/londonmet/lists/B9FD8A75-AFD4-1249-E79B-BA7A270A3970.html
Paul Dodsley
01:26:30
Regarding mental health how can we improve access and reduce stigma?
Pauline Rutter
01:27:09
That's brilliant Sofia, thanks. Will check out Goldsmith.
Pauline Rutter
01:29:40
Thanks Alex for mentioning Small Steps. The purposeful collective and supportive work is so important. Definitely brings me joy, safety and is reenergising :)
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
01:30:30
To Paul Dodsley, we've (QAA Scotland) supported some work on the mental wellbeing of BAME students - you can find webinar recordings and other resources here (Amatey was a presenter at the first event)https://www.enhancementthemes.ac.uk/resilient-learning-communities/collaborative-clusters/student-mental-wellbeing-within-our-bame-and-lgbtq-learner-communities
Debbie McVitty
01:31:01
A piece from Sofia on what decolonising curriculum really means: https://eachother.org.uk/decolonising-the-curriculum-what-it-really-means/
Samita Kirve
01:31:56
Well said, Sofia!
Gerard Devney
01:32:07
I love the idea of the critical conversations café - thanks for the link - is this something that takes place in a live F2F environment as well, with the reading list to support this?
Katie Green
01:32:18
Totally agree Sofia
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:32:19
Preach Sofia!
Cecilia Pereira-Yates
01:32:34
We need senior leaders who want to listen, who want to engage, truly engage and not just use beautiful words.
Marilyn Clarke
01:33:24
Goldsmiths Extenuating circumstances - racial trauma https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jun/17/goldsmiths-to-allow-students-suffering-racial-trauma-to-apply-for-extensions?utm_campaign=Staff%20News%2018%2006%202021&utm_source=emailCampaign&utm_content=&utm_medium=email
Vicky Lewis
01:33:30
Agreed @Cecilia. The listening element is so important.
Jenni Woods
01:33:31
Thanks Sofia, agree we need our senior leadership to be bold, purposeful and action focused (and really important point about honesty)
Zuleikha Chikh
01:33:32
Yes senior leaders need to express their vulnerability and be open to being educated
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:33:38
Agree Cecelia
Marilyn Clarke
01:33:48
Thank you to Sofia and Alex - great work by you both. You mentioned that all students will learn about Black British experience regardless of course. How will this be embedded?
Cecilia Pereira-Yates
01:34:17
Sofia and Alex : You both are just fab! Thank you.
Linda Greening
01:34:57
Such an inspiring session, cannot thank you all enough for this
Rachel Gardner Dalton
01:34:59
Thank you Sofia and Alex, that was brilliant.
Pauline Rutter
01:34:59
Senior white leaders also need to courageously step aside and make space. This is really not easy.
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:35:05
I think this is so interesting, as London is so diverse as opposed to other parts of the UK
Anne Wilson
01:35:14
A really valuable input- thank you both very much!
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
01:35:16
Thank you Sofie and Alex.
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
01:35:20
Sofia sorry!
Fairyqueen Tatiana
01:35:24
Thank you both Alex and Sofia. Great work and keep it up :)
Pauline Rutter
01:35:27
Excellent thanks Alex and Sofia :)
Chris Pinnell
01:35:28
Thanks both, really interesting.
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:35:33
Thanks so much Sofia & Alex!
Kate Brown
01:35:34
Thank you both. Excellent work
Samita Kirve
01:35:35
Thanks Alex & Sofia
Jenni Woods
01:35:35
Thank you both - great to hear about the work you are doing.
Lily Cheetham
01:35:38
Thank you both!!
Debbie McVitty
01:35:47
All good!
Emily Williams, University of Surrey
01:35:47
Fantastic to hear from London Met team, doing really great work! THanks!
Nicole Steele
01:35:49
Thanks both!
Valerie Emmott
01:35:49
thank you very much! good to see you again Alex
Katerina Finnis
01:35:50
Thank you Alex and Sofia!
Gerard Devney
01:35:51
brilliant discussion and contribution to the day - thank you both very much :-)
Zuleikha Chikh
01:36:09
Keep up the great work Alex and Sofia!
H Scott
01:36:45
Thank you Alex and Sofia
Luke Harrison
01:38:40
this is the most epic music for making a cuppa.
Ben
01:38:58
Haha, so true Luke
Clare Pavitt
01:40:40
Apologies, I have to leave for another commitment. Thank you Sofia, Alex and Amatey for great insights and shared experiences.
Debbie McVitty
01:43:01
@Luke if you see the size of my cuppa you’ll understand the epic music!
Luke Harrison
01:45:22
@Debbie, I’m on my ‘Mr Greedy’ mug this morning, I think it’s about a pint!
Debbie McVitty
01:45:56
@Luke EPIC!
Urwa Ahmed
01:47:25
Good Morning ALL from University of Glasgow, just joined...
Nicole Steele
01:56:19
What a great name, Unapologetically BAME!
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:56:31
Yes I agree Nicole!
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
01:57:12
Welcome Unwa, nice to have you here! (Oxford Brookes University)
Jane Butcher
02:02:54
Have you taken specific positive action eg. via BAME traineeships for pipeline and progression into library workforce given it is overwhelmingly white profession - eg. Kings Fund did this
Pauline Rutter
02:05:30
Does critical race theory underpin the systematic approach to this decolonising work?
Cecilia Pereira-Yates
02:12:16
Cultural differences/ awareness is key.
Kaye Towlson
02:13:42
@linda Greening yes Freedom from the Urban Riding Academy
Jane Butcher
02:13:57
Have you introduced a meaningful measure for individual behaviour change and performance into appraisals
Deena Baskin-Atkinson
02:15:01
Thanks for your answer, Kaushika. Understand that the work can never end, but was just curious how long it’s taken so far. Thanks for your answer!
Urwa Ahmed
02:17:06
Is decolonisation being rolledout in institutions in Scotland?
Pauline Rutter
02:17:15
Thanks fantastic Kaushika, that black and brown people could be paid properly for this decolonising work and emotional labour within the library service.
Linda Greening
02:19:36
On that note, have you found an institution strap line on race equity helps with staff buy in?
Lizanne Henderson
02:19:57
Hi Urwa I’m a Glasgow Uni staff person. Might want to check out the racial equality report that was recently compiled: https://www.gla.ac.uk/myglasgow/humanresources/equalitydiversity/students/bame/understandingracism/
Urwa Ahmed
02:20:40
Thanks Lizanne - will check it out!
Pauline Rutter
02:21:09
Are 'BME' staff networks funded anywhere?
Simon Meacher
02:21:23
Thanks Kaushika!
Anne Wilson
02:21:24
Thank you both- really valuable.
eleanor.farrington@newcastle.ac.uk
02:21:33
Thank you!
Kate Brown
02:21:44
Thank you, Kaushika!
Sara Erskine NUA
02:21:47
Thanks!
Gerard Devney
02:21:51
thanks both! very encouraging and inspiring!
Kirsten Knox (she/her)
02:21:51
@Urwa I’m also Glasgow Uni and I know there is currently fudging application in to begin decolonising the curriculum in Life Sciences, not sure whats happening in other disciplines.
Pauline Rutter
02:21:57
Excellent presentation of the DMU decolonising work, Thanks
Katerina Finnis
02:22:11
Thank you so much!
Kashmir - University of Leeds
02:22:22
Thank u both inspiring and motivating.
Elizabeth Charles
02:22:36
Great work at DMU.
Marilyn Clarke
02:22:52
Excellent work at DMU. Thank you!
Urwa Ahmed
02:23:26
@Kirsten Interesting- Thank you.
Anita Hall (she/they)
02:26:53
Yes, Wayne is fantastic! https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/218193/prize-winning-students-share-learning-teaching-research/ or https://www.imperial.ac.uk/equality/staff-networks/imperial-as-one/
Anita Hall (she/they)
02:28:15
Yes, my HEI (only) does things if there's money in it cf Athena Swan work
Elizabeth Charles
02:28:20
Thanks Rotimi for the reality check.
Simon Meacher
02:28:54
Spot on Rotimi
Pauline Rutter
02:29:01
Couldn't agree more Rotimi. e.g. in HE the Race Equality Charter Mark could be compulsory for HEIs to receive any research funding. It worked for Athena SWAN.
Kate Brown
02:29:30
Absolutely agree. Similar situation with brands advertising on certain channels. If they know it may hit their bottom line, even corporate entities will consider how important an anti-racist stance is and will consider the reputational damage from being associated with so-called 'anti-woke' brands or organisations
Jane Butcher
02:32:11
Funding and regulation leverage - OfS, UKRI
Pauline Rutter
02:32:24
Yes Dorothy. So right. Progress ('doing the work') without impact (HE transformation) just doesn't cut it and never has.
Kenya Peters (she/her)
02:33:01
Pauline Rutter - Similar approaches are being considered and taken when it comes to tackling harassment and sexual misconduct. I think one of the next stage of our thinking needs to be how we look at and learn from all of the Inclusion & Diversity work happening across the sector. Essentially all of the work happening is with the purpose of creating safer campuses and HE experiences for staff and students. A lot of the work needs to be targeted, yes, but if they all happen in silos we’ll be missing vital learnings that can propel this work forward
Naomi Richardson - TUoS
02:33:39
I'm in the people development team at The University of Sheffield and I'm working closely with the EDI team to support in creating some awareness training for staff - can I ask the panels' opinion on critical race theory, and if we should be adding awareness/resources etc. on White Privilege? There are differing opinions from the EDI team (with lived experience of racism) of awareness of white privilege vs dominant group privilege (e.g. BAME people may experience the same injustices in another county which is not predominantly white). Does the panel feel critical race theory/white privilege should be signposted to?
Pauline Rutter
02:34:33
When given 'power and resources' my black and brown associates are never timid in the anti-racist work they do and their activism in and outside of the academy. So inspiring.
Ange
02:34:54
Thanks so much, but need to leave for another meeting - this has been a great session
Joanne Tatham
02:35:35
Thanks for the optimism Arun Verma . It’s another strategy for self care for those involved in this work.
Debbie McVitty
02:35:44
Anyone who needs to leave, don’t forget you’ll get the recording afterwards, so you can catch up!
Pauline Rutter
02:37:15
QUESTION: Are we allowed to mention critical race theory in this decolonising work and activism the erasure that has occurred over the decades of this work being done by so many black and brown academics and students and their allies?
Samita Kirve
02:37:37
Thanks Debbie. I need to leave too. Wonderful session and some valuable discussions. Thanks to all speakers.
Jane Butcher
02:43:39
If/as degree awarding gaps have widened through Covid - how do we use this for better awareness of structural racism and white prvilege in action
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
02:45:59
Yes amazing point Arun!
Marilyn Clarke
02:47:52
Thanks to all for an informative event. I need to leave too.
Debbie McVitty
02:49:03
There’s a US university where student-led university transformation activity is essentially credit-bearing.
Elizabeth Charles
02:49:22
Good point Dorothy - so important.
Lily Cheetham
02:49:53
Great point
Jenny Bach
02:49:58
Wow, great response Dorothy, inspirational
Janine (she/her)
02:50:14
Universities also need to consider when they are asking for feedback/consultation - where are we in the assessment cycle? Are you giving opportunities outside of office hours (students have jobs too)? Are you asking during uni holidays?
Gerard Devney
02:50:43
This is such an important point - remuneration (be it paid or in time) is so seldom addressed in these targeted approaches. Thank you Dorothy
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
02:51:03
Amazing point thanks Dorothy!
Simon Meacher
02:51:09
Thanks Dorothy!
Anne Wilson
02:51:13
Well said Dorothy-not paying for student expertise sends a clear (and negative) message- so an own goal!
Kate Brown
02:51:29
Thank you so much for today. It has been geat to hear from you all and the work you
Kate Brown
02:51:32
are doing
Christine Kinnear
02:52:04
Great point Dorothy. It mirrors exactly what our students said in our Student Voice survey. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5b8e3cf539Well said Dorothy. It entirely mirrors the call made in our Student Voice survey. 17ee05c8f147c7/t/60c33f830f65ed78d3d68c19/1623408521745/Student+Voice+Report+%281%29.pdf
Karley
02:52:57
In terms of both staff and students, could a form of remuneration be experience that can be evidenced on a CV for example. A lot of the time these conversations happen at high level with SLT that some members of staff or students may not normally engage with. In terms of progression, can members of staff or students be brought in to diversify panels who have maybe contributed to some of these conversations again to use as experience as there is a gap in the number of minorities in senior roles
Anne Wilson
02:53:22
@Karley great idea!
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
02:53:31
Student partnership, as mentioned earlier?
Janine (she/her)
02:54:55
Remuneration can sometimes be a barrier for participation of tier 4 visa students. Other compensation for their time should be considered
Pauline Rutter
02:54:58
That's quite a statistic Omar.
Karley
02:56:07
Yes student/staff partnership, but also experience because we arent getting chosen in some cases based on experience so if those who want to contribute to the conversations are actually given opportunities to practice sharing ideas in a formal settings such as decision making
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
02:56:11
Agree 100% about professional staff. They are part of our university communities and should be part of this conversation
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
02:58:20
We also need to be alive to the very deliberate political efforts to discredit CRT - universities have a role in advancing public understanding about it
Karla Inniss BNU
03:00:15
Spot on!
Jon Blyth
03:00:31
I agree entirely
Anita Hall (she/they)
03:00:32
Sorry, need to go to a meeting. Thank you so much and good luck with all your work (hopefully work that's truly valued and allowed to be transformative!)
Pauline Rutter
03:00:56
Thank you Arun, you have made that so clear. Centering black and brown voices and working collectively to shift the narrative around the power, privilege and fragility 'dragon.' Why do some people find the language so scary I wonder?
Anita Hall (she/they)
03:01:56
It threatens the status quo - they're not going to give up their power and privileges easily!
Debbie McVitty
03:02:42
I wrote an article about the role fo theoretical perspectives (v much informed by discussion with Amatey) when he first approached me about this event: https://wonkhe.com/blogs/acknowledging-institutional-racism-is-only-the-first-step/
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
03:03:56
So well said Dorothy!
Elizabeth Charles
03:03:58
Oh yess!
Anne Wilson
03:04:29
Thanks so much all- a really valuable session today! I need to leave for another meeting now.
Simon Meacher
03:04:32
Very clear and hard-hitting points from all
Katrinah
03:04:37
Wonderfully said Dorothy :)
Pauline Rutter
03:04:37
So excellent Dorothy. Yes lets get on and do some good work. THanks
Tahira Majothi
03:04:39
Thank you to all speakers. Some inspirational work being undertaken across HEIs, which is really encouraging and great ideas we can use. This has been really a refreshing and empowering session. Thank you Amatey, Debbie and WonkHE.
Oreoluwa Aiyesimoju
03:04:40
Thanks so much everyone
Fairyqueen Tatiana
03:04:42
thank you all for this conversation
Chris Pinnell
03:04:44
Thank you so much everyone.
julia
03:04:46
Thank you Amatey and all - for such a wide-ranging and insightful series of sessions with so many practical take-aways.
Elizabeth Charles
03:04:48
Brilliant session, thank you panellists.
Lily Cheetham
03:04:49
Brilliant - thank you all so much
Alison Eales, QAA Scotland
03:04:50
Thanks to everyone on the panel - fantastic. So much to think about.
Ash Green
03:04:51
Thanks to all the speakers this morning. This has been such a great session to attend.
eleanor.farrington@newcastle.ac.uk
03:04:53
Thank you so much - brilliant event!
Nicole Steele
03:04:53
Thanks everyone for today's sessions.
Gerard Devney
03:04:54
Brilliant - thanks so much everyone - enlightening, engaging and inspiring, from the panel, the speakers and the comments box - thanks all!
Katerina Finnis
03:04:55
A really great session - thank you to everyone.
#osteoyinka #theosteopathyogi
03:04:57
Thank you! Thanks to all.
Kashmir - University of Leeds
03:04:57
Excellent thank u all speakers.
Jon Blyth
03:04:58
Thank you this has been incredibly valuable
Katrinah
03:04:59
Another great discussion. Lots of take-aways.
Anita Hall (she/they)
03:05:02
Can Dorothy's next job be PM?!
Vicky Lewis
03:05:02
Fascinating and insightful session - thanks to all for such brilliant contributions.
Deena Baskin-Atkinson
03:05:03
What a great event! Thank you so much for your time and expertise, everyone.
Martin Marshall (Aspire)
03:05:04
Really good discussion, thanks to all the contributors today!
Cecilia Pereira-Yates
03:05:05
Thank you so much everyone
Karla Inniss BNU
03:05:08
A great event - well done everyone
Fiona O'Rourke
03:05:10
Great presentations and discussion, thanks to everyone!
Tiegan
03:05:19
Thank you so much everyone!
Katie Drapes
03:05:21
Many thanks to all the speakers - a great event
Siân Evans (she/her)
03:05:22
That you so much to all the speakers!
Urwa Ahmed
03:05:22
Great Work!! Thanks to All!!
ola UDUKU
03:05:33
Great seminar thanks :-)
Katrinah
03:05:34
Well led Amatey and a great panel of speakers. Thanks WonkHE.
Shelagh Prosser
03:05:34
Brilliant event. Thank you
Pauline Rutter
03:05:35
Fantastic Amatey and Debbie. Great job :)
Sarah Mulholland (she/her)
03:05:40
Fantastic session - thanks to all.
Linda Greening
03:05:51
Absolutely fabulous today, thank you to all involved
Rhys J-S
03:05:52
This was brilliant, thank you!!! Will presentations be shared??
Laura Kennedy (she/her)
03:05:55
Thank you to all hosts and panellists- great event
Naomi Richardson - TUoS
03:05:59
Thank you very much!
Rhys J-S
03:06:05
Said at the very end, awesome!
ken Sankson
03:06:07
Thank you all
Leah
03:06:10
Thank you! Really great!
Lesley Main
03:06:13
Thank you all - great session
Raza Rashid
03:06:22
Thank you :)
Ella Moncrieffe
03:06:26
Thanks for a great session!
Kaye Towlson
03:06:42
Thank you all
Jenny Bach
03:06:51
Thank you, very inspirational